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Should Pope Joan finally be recognised by the Vatican and included in the official list of Popes? General Custard

John Anglicus was an English woman who became Pope in the year 850. She was a woman of intellect who dressed as a man to enter University, later entering the priesthood and was elected Pope. She was murdered by the Catholic citizens of Rome when she gave birth to a child. Although recognised as Pope at first, the Catholic Church now refuse to recognise her Papal reign. She was real and the real answers lie hidden in the Vatican's secret archives. Her Holiness Pope Joan was airbrushed from history by an anti-female Church.

Well she was normally elected not knowing he was actually a she. I think it`s an interesting fact and she should be recognised as a Pope. But what I think matters the least ...

Is pope joan a true or completely made up story? Kloie L.

John Anglicus was a ninth century Englishman. He travelled to Athens where he gained a reputation for his knowledge of the sciences. Eventually he came to lecture at the Trivium in Rome where his fame grew even larger. He became a Cardinal, and when Pope Leo IV died in 853 A.D., he was unanimously elected pope. As Pope John VIII he ruled for two years, until 855 A.D. However, while riding one day from St. Peter's to the Lateran, he had to stop by the side of the road and, to the astonishment of everyone, gave birth to a child. It turned out that Pope John VIII was really a woman. In other words, Pope John was really Pope Joan. Legend says that she was tied to the back of a horse and dragged, while being stonned, till she died. Another Story says that Joan was sent to a convent to repent her sins and that her child grew up to become a biship. I just want to straiten out whether or not it happend

Pope Joan is regarded by most modern historians and religious scholars as fictitious, possibly originating as an anti-papal satire. The first known reference to her occurs in the thirteenth century, 350 years after her supposed reign. Around this time her image also began to appear as the High Priestess card in the Tarot deck. http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/popeJoan.html In the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries this popess was already counted as an historical personage, whose existence no one doubted. She had her place among the carved busts which stood in Siena Cathedral. Under Clement VIII, and at his request, she was transformed into Pope Zacharias. The heretic Hus, in the defense of his false doctrine before the Council of Constance, referred to the popess, and no one offered to question the fact of her existence. She is not found in the "Liber Pontificalis" nor among the papal portraits in St. Paul's Outside the Walls, at Rome. This alleged popess is a pure figment of the imagination. In the fifteenth century, after the awakening of historical criticism, a few scholars like Aeneas Silvius (Epist., I, 30) and Platina (Vitae Pontificum, No. 106) saw the untenableness of the story. Since the sixteenth century Catholic historians began to deny the existence of the popess, e.g., Onofrio Panvinio (Vitae Pontificum, Venice, 1557), Aventinus (Annales Boiorum, lib. IV), Baronius (Annales ad a. 879, n. 5), and others. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08407a.htm Donna Woolfolk Cross, like Dan Brown, has woven a truly extraordinary tale, using myth, legend and popular folk history. True? I'd say no. Too much attention was given to the legend by the Vatican itself, too much time and exhaustive research, with a negative result. The first stories of this "Popess" only began circulation 300 plus years AFTER the fact....I may be wrong, its completely possible...but my opinion? No, not true.

Does anyone know a definite release date for the film adaptation of Pope Joan? lunarmiko

I am a huge fan of the book by Donna Wolfolk Cross and have been waiting for a long time for the film to come out. Yet no new news has been heard. Is there a definite release date for the film?

October 29, 2009 in Germany and Switzerland. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458455/releaseinfo I did not realize there was another movie from 1972. With love in Christ.

Did the story about Pope Joan was true? David C

Did the story about Pope Joan, the only woman who became a pope, true? or is it just a legend?

Pope Joan is a legend with no documentation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan With love in Christ.

Where can I read Pope Joan:The Novel online? berr.holl

My life makes it to where I can't read books anymore. So if anyone can find it I would really like to read it, just if its not online, its not gunna happen. Thank you!

Try this, they have almost everything. http://www.scribd.com/ :)

Does anyone have any quotes on relationships from pope joan?

I can't find the book at the library or store and i have an essay tommorrow

There is a legend of Pope Joan that has no documentation (and no quotes): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan Another movie about the legend is in the works: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458455/ With love in Christ.

Is the legend of Pope Joan historical fact or a fabricated lie?

"The church insists that its papal line, dating back to St. Peter, is an unbroken string of men. Scholars tend to agree. An array of reference books, from the Encyclopaedia Britannica to the Oxford Dictionary of Popes, dismiss Pope Joan as a mythical or legendary figure, no more real than Paul Bunyan or Old King Cole. (Another Joan, the 15th-century martyr Joan of Arc, is honored by the church as a saint.) "The chief weakness of the Pope Joan story is the absence of any contemporary evidence of a female pope during the dates suggested for her reign. In each instance, clerical records show someone else holding the papacy and doing deeds that are transcribed in church history. "Another problem is the gap between the alleged event and the news of it. Not until the 13th century–400 years after Joan, by the most accepted accounts, ruled–does any mention of a female pope appear in any documents. That's akin to word breaking out just now that England in 1600 had a queen named Elizabeth." http://www.usnews.com/usnews/doubleissue/mysteries/pope.htm

how many pages long is the book, pope joan: a novel?

i'm trying to decide between certain books to do my summer assignment on. this one looks interesting, but i don't wanna wind up with something outrageously long as shogun to do my project on..

I checked Barnes and Noble. It's 432 pages--at least, the edition they sell is that long. Shogun is a very long read; on the other hand, it's a really interesting book.

Do you know anything about pope joan? Pretty Kitty

my friend is doing a report on her, i need as much info as i can get.

Not much. I think she's the dark ages female pope who proved difficult to behead, isn't she? Try answers.com, or wikipedia, or some such place.

Summary of book Pope Joan by Donna Cross (preferably with important details)? Hannah

http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkunAuSxHnWQA1JxLBQx.?p=Pope+Joan+by+Donna+Cross+summary&y=Search&fr=ytff4-&rd=r1

Catholics: What can you tell me about Pope Joan? TEH TYME KITTEH ~pantheist~

It's a myth first introduced in the 13th century by a Dominican Chronicler named Jean de Mailly and popularized by a Papal Chaplain named Martin of Troppau. It was Martin who added a name, Johanna (Joan in English), and assigned a date, setting the incident in the 9th century circa 855. It's this version that became established and entered popular legend, even inspiring a movie starring Liv Ullman in the title role.

Pope Joan? Has anyone heard of HER? A.D. 854 succeeding Pope Leo? Trish Kernburn71 (TM)

Pope Joan was obviously female...is that why there is a hole cut in the papal seat, which opens below to a hole in the floor beneath for the cardinals to view and to check the persons sex? Would love to know if anyone knows of her?

I've heard of her, but don' t know if the story is true.

Did Pope Joan really existed?

Did she really existed? I just watched Pope Joan in Star Movies.

No. There was no significant gap between the popes who were supposed to have preceded and followed her. It is just a great story.

Did Pope Joan Exist, a female pope? Groo the Fox

Pope Joan (also called La Papessa) is the name of a legendary female pope who supposedly reigned for less than three years in the 850s, between the papacies of Leo IV and Benedict III (though there were only two months between the two reigns)

Joan in Latin is John in English. Hence in the Biblia Sacra iuxta Vulgatam Clementinam. It is Evangelium secundum Joannem, Epistola B. Joannis Apostoli Prima, Epistola B. Joannis Apostoli Secunda, & Epistola B. Joannis Apostoli Tertia. At about the time of Pope Leo IV (847-855), some anti-Catholic polemicists alleged that a so-called "Pope Joan" held the papal office. There is in fact, no truth in the story of the woman-pope. The legend is based on ignorance of Latin, since this purported "Joan" is simply the common abbreviation "Joan," for "Joannes" (John) in early mediaeval manuscripts! In fact, it was a Protestant Calvinist who first (1657) demonstrated the unhistorical character of the allegation. He was followed by Petrarch, Leibniz, Dollinger, and all historians since. An array of reference books, from the Encyclopaedia Britannica to the Oxford Dictionary of Popes, as well as Edward Gibbon, author of "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire," dismiss "Pope Joan" as a mythical or legendary figure, no more real than Paul Bunyan or Old King Cole. The chief weakness of the Pope Joan story is the absence of any contemporary evidence of a female pope during the dates suggested for her reign. In each instance, clerical records show someone else holding the papacy and doing the deeds that are transcribed in church history. Another problem is the gap between the alleged event and the news of it. Not until the 13th century -- 400 years after Joan, by the most accepted accounts, ruled -- does any mention of a female pope appear in any documents. That's akin to word breaking out just now that England in 1600 had a queen named Elizabeth. So, if a woman didn't become pope, what did happen? One explanation is that somebody was trying to be humorous. On the narrow Roman street, where Joan was supposed to have been exposed as a woman in the papal procession, is called the Vicus Papissa, named after the wealthy family of Giovanni Pape. Years after the Papes were gone, it is suggested that a visitor joked that Vicus Papissa meant "the street of the woman pope [papissa]" instead of what it really means, "the street of Mrs. Pape"!

whats the best book about pope joan? paupau

Any suggestions? I'm looking for literary merit here.

Donna W. Cross wrote a good book about her - interestingly enough, the Catholic Church still refers to the story as a fable.

Which US president was/is the most like Pope Joan? Carmen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan

i hope it was bush when i wake up it never really happened.

Catholics do you know about pope Joan? American Atheist

Pope Joan is the name of a female pope, (also La Papessa), who reigned for less than three years in the 850s, between the papacies of Leo IV and Benedict III, and is known primarily from a legend that circulated in the Middle Ages. Pope Joan is regarded by most modern historians and religious scholars as fictitious, possibly originating as an anti-papal satire you must have not seen the s as in 850s

the fact is, there was no Pope Joan. She exists only as pure legend, but one that makes for a sexy story. And when it comes to sexy stories, you know Hollywood will try its hand at making a blockbuster out of this piece of pope fiction. New Line Cinema (that's right, the same good folks who produced The Last Temptation of Christ) has reportedly bought the movie rights to Pope Joan, the best-selling 1996 novel by Donna Woolfolk Cross. Her book is couched as an historical "novel" - embellishing on a grand scale the rather sparse details that have clung to the legend of a brilliant, plain girl who rises to the highest levels in Church service, culminating in her being elected pope by an unsuspecting college of cardinals. The way the book is written and the way it's being promoted support my concern that it will be seen by most of its historically ignorant readers, not as a novel, a fiction, but as a real biography of the one woman who "made it to the top." When the movie comes out, this problem will certainly grow in proportions. It's important to remember that even if there had been a female impostor pope, this would just mean that an invalid election had taken place, nothing more. Other invalidly elected claimants to the papal office have come and gone over the centuries, and the fact that a woman made that list would simply mean that a woman made that list, She would not have been pope - no one invalidly elected would be. And nothing in the Church's teachings about the papacy would be injured or disproved. But in reality, the Pope Joan story is all sizzle and no steak. The basic outline of the main legend (actually, there have been several competing legends over the centuries) has it that in the ninth or tenth century, a plain but extraordinarily brilliant young woman contrived to enter the university disguised as a man. Her intellect outstripped her male classmates and she shot to the top rank of students. Talk of her prowess in law, science, rhetoric, philosophy and languages was widespread.

Pope Joan Book Quotes? Ginahh

i need some pope joan book quotes showing her lack and strength of judgement?? help please!!!

There is a legend of Pope Joan that has no documentation (and no quotes): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan Another movie about the legend is in the works: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458455/ With love in Christ.

were pope Joan real character ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan

no

How can anyone watch the Italian movie "Pope Joan" and believe that it's really true? Greg the traditional Catholic

Long since disproven as a fake, a motion picture on "Pope Joan" has titillated Italians to the point of making the film the third-highest-rated film at the box office. The mediaeval myth concerns an Englishwoman who purportedly dressed herself as a man and became the first "female pope." Johanna Wokalek stars as Johanna von Ingelheim, who was exposed when she gave birth during a procession though the streets of Rome. The American actor John Goodman stars as Pope Sergius, and David Wenham, an Australian last seen in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, as her lover, a knight named Gerold. According to the myth, "Pope Joan" disguised herself as a boy in order to enter a Benedictine monastery, calling herself Brother John Anglicus. She became a cardinal and was eventually elected pope in 853 after the death of Pope Leo IV, posing as pope for nearly three years before her deception was found out. The Romans, shocked and angered to find that the Holy "Father" was in fact an "Unholy Mother," stoned her to death. Amongst Italians who have increasingly lost their Faith in recent years, the film reached the top 10 of most popular movies in Italian cinemas during the week of June 13, 2010. It turns out that the myth arose when someone was trying to make a play on words in Latin. The narrow Roman street, where Joan was supposed to have been exposed as a woman in the papal procession, is called the Vicus Papissa, named after the wealthy family of Giovanni Pape. Years after the Papes were gone, a visitor joked that Vicus Papissa meant "the street of the woman pope [papissa]" instead of what it really means, "the street of Mrs. Pape"!

I do not know of anyone who thinks this myth is true. Pope Joan is just a myth: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08407a.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan With love in Christ.

A Wooden Pope Joan board?:)? Rainbow K

I would like a wooden Pope Joan board:) The cloth ones are kind of lame. However, I do not want one that just has 8 holes routered out. I'm looking for something more like this http://home.swbell.net/lloydxx/images/PopeJoan.html at a reasonable rate:) Anybody know anything? All the ones I find are like 320-1000 bucks! Waaaaay too spendy! Thanks:)

I have never seen that board before, nor heard of the game. The best suggestion I can make is to go to the site www.boardgamegeek.com and register there. Then you can participate in the forums there, and someone on that site may be able to help you. It is a beautiful board.

Was there a female Pope--Joan in 1099? sunspotter2002

Is it true after reigning 2 years Pope John VIII (John Anglicus) was found to be a woman? Joan, who gave birth?Was she or he... Murdered? Exiled? Sequestered in convent for life???

The Catholic religion is horrible with the discrimination of women. In the Bible in Cor. it actually says "a woman should not speak in church, if she has a question she is to wait and ask her husband when they get home". The Romans altered the Bible thousands of years ago and used the Bible to mold the society that they wanted to have. Sad but true. If that conspiracy did actually happen I wouldn't be surprised that they would have killed her. The Catholic church was extremely corrupt for many centuries and to a degree still is (ex. priests "taking advantage of" the alter boys).

What is the Myth of Pope Joan? Snecky44

There is a legend that a woman managed to become Pope(circa 2/3century)and her sex was only discovered after she went into labour during a papal procession,after which the enraged crowd threw her and the baby into the Tiber!There is no telling if this rumour is true but what is true is that to this day the Vatican museum contains the Papal sexing chair,a chair with a large hole underneath which was used up until about300years ago to check that the Pope really is a man!

Have you read Pope Joan? CleverGal

With all the DaVinci Code mania, I must say, I find the plausibility of this book much more convincing. This is a book about the legend of a female Pope around 800AD during the Medieval period. A woman who disguised herself as a boy to go to school, rises in the ranks of the priesthood to become Pope. Has anyone else read it? I've read it recently and thought it was a very good interpretation of the legend. The writing was good and the story believable. There was a movie made in the '70's about Pope Joan. Wish someone would make a more recent version.

Yes, I read it for my book club several years ago.We all found it quite interesting and provocative. There were a few parts that I thought were written just to "sell" the book (the relationship with Gerard or Gerald? I can't remember). Otherwise, I found quite interesting especially regarding the politics in the Vatican itself.

does pope joan is accepted by the church as pope?

im just conciuos..

No. Pope Joan is just a myth: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08407a.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan Another movie about the myth is in the works: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458455/ With love in Christ.

Why don't Catholics emphasize the fact that there was a female Pope?

Pope Joan in the 13th century. If the church would highlight and feature this more, they wouldn't appear so sexist. It might even lead to a woman's right to choose.

You do know that Joan in Latin is John right??? Hence in the Biblia Sacra iuxta Vulgatam Clementinam. It is Evangelium secundum Joannem, Epistola B. Joannis Apostoli Prima, Epistola B. Joannis Apostoli Secunda, & Epistola B. Joannis Apostoli Tertia. At about the time of Pope Leo IV (847-855), some anti-Catholic polemicists alleged that a so-called "Pope Joan" held the papal office. There is in fact, no truth in the story of the woman-pope. The legend is based on ignorance of Latin, since this purported "Joan" is simply the common abbreviation "Joan," for "Joannes" (John) in early mediaeval manuscripts! In fact, it was a Protestant Calvinist who first (1657) demonstrated the unhistorical character of the allegation. He was followed by Petrarch, Leibniz, Dollinger, and all historians since. An array of reference books, from the Encyclopaedia Britannica to the Oxford Dictionary of Popes, as well as Edward Gibbon, author of "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire," dismiss "Pope Joan" as a mythical or legendary figure, no more real than Paul Bunyan or Old King Cole. The chief weakness of the Pope Joan story is the absence of any contemporary evidence of a female pope during the dates suggested for her reign. In each instance, clerical records show someone else holding the papacy and doing the deeds that are transcribed in church history. Another problem is the gap between the alleged event and the news of it. Not until the 13th century -- 400 years after Joan, by the most accepted accounts, ruled -- does any mention of a female pope appear in any documents. That's akin to word breaking out just now that England in 1600 had a queen named Elizabeth. So, if a woman didn't become pope, what did happen? One explanation is that somebody was trying to be humorous. On the narrow Roman street, where Joan was supposed to have been exposed as a woman in the papal procession, is called the Vicus Papissa, named after the wealthy family of Giovanni Pape. Years after the Papes were gone, it is suggested that a visitor joked that Vicus Papissa meant "the street of the woman pope [papissa]" instead of what it really means, "the street of Mrs. Pape"!

Heard about Pope Joan? Why did Catholic Church denied her existence? Amanda B

The Catholic Church denies her existance because she didn't really exist. She's an urban legend. "The story of Pope Joan is known mainly from the 13th century chronicler Martin of Opava – writing 500 years after the alleged Popess. Most scholars dismiss Pope Joan as a medieval legend. The Oxford Dictionary of Popes acknowledges that this legend was widely believed for centuries, even among Catholic circles, but declares that there is “no contemporary evidence for a female pope at any of the dates suggested for her reign,” and goes on to say that “the known facts of the respective periods make it impossible to fit [a female pope] in”.

Did the Catholic church really have a FEMALE POPE in its history and why such a coverup? hitan_2005

"Pope Joan," who supposedly served from 855 to 858

"Pope Joan" is a urban legend. http://womenshistory.about.com/od/mythsofwomenshistory/a/pope_joan.htm

What was Pope Joan's title? Penny_Dread

If a man who leads the church is a pope, was she a mome? obviously she was a myth - a female pope is hardly going to be married, is she? sheesh.

"Pope Joan" is a myth.

What do you kow about pope joan ? duhlame

need any info thanx

I seem to recall reading something once to the effect that she was taken in by someone who educated her and she eventually concealed her gender to enter the priesthood. Eventually elected Pope, but then was "outed" and killed. One version I saw had it that she was found out because she delivered a baby. (Seems they weren't too thrilled by that.) One person here says the story was fabricated. Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. Hope this helps. Oh: Try your library. Maybe you can find some kind of credible journal article on the subject. That would probably be your best source. Watch the internet, especially with a story like this. A lot of people are going to have an agenda with this topic.

Does the present Catholic Church acknowledge Pope Joan? Celtic Peace

La Popessa? Were there any women Popes in history?

Pope Joan is a myth, the story only goes back to the 13th century and there are two mutually contradictory versions, one set circa 850 and the other set in 1099. No contemporary evidence of such an event at either time has ever been produced.

Who believes there was a pope joan? fawkingsupergirl

its from abc primetime investigation

Primarily it is Protestant catholic bashers who believe this, though there is a tradition of this belief in the Greek Orthodox church. A fameous, scandalous telling of the tale (titled "Pope Joan") was translated to English by Lawrence Durrell, who, as an author, excelled in scandalous tales of incest, etc. The tale persists without historical backup because anything that raises doubt about the validity of apostolic succession in the Roman Catholic church will delight someone who dislikes the RC church. One of the reasons for believing it's probably not true is that the allegation of the event doesn't appear in the historical record until 4-500 years after it allegedly occurred. It's hard to believe that a 'pope' giving birth during a procession would have gone unremarked for hundreds of years, and then conveniently been noticed along with the development of Protestantism. I'm not a Catholic myself, just someone who hates to see religious prejudice rear its ugly head in our world.

I saw the show on t.v. tonight about Pope Joan. I am baptist and i just have one question, What is a pope? kidslettersschool

i know he is catholic and he is like the leader of the church but why is he so important?

the pope is the religious and administrative leader of the catholic. He is considered to be peter, the apostle, the first pope. Rent the movie,"shoes of the fisherman" and it will be clear.

Why is there that stupid myth of Pope Joan? tardis1977

I think anyone who believes in this story is a stupid ignorant (well I can't really finish)

The female pope? There never was one, but people will say that to discredit the church. I don't know how that rumor got started, but for some reason, it's popular. "Most scholars dismiss Pope Joan as the medieval equivalent of an urban legend.[1] The Oxford Dictionary of Popes [2] acknowledges that this legend was widely believed for centuries, even among Catholic circles, but declares that there is "no contemporary evidence for a female pope at any of the dates suggested for her reign," and goes on to say that "the known facts of the respective periods make it impossible to fit [a female pope] in." The legend of Pope Joan was initially discredited by David Blondel, a mid-17th century Protestant historian, who suggested that Pope Joan's tale may have originated in a satire against Pope John XI, who died in his early 20s. Blondel, through detailed analysis of the claims and suggested timings, argued that no such events could have happened." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan "Extra credit: At some point Pope (Popess?) Joan made it into the Major Arcana of the Tarot deck as a high priestess, a symbol of secret knowledge... The name Joan, a feminine version of John, was attributed to her much later; other chronicles say her name was Agnes, Gilberta or Jutta." http://www.who2.com/popejoan.html

Pope Joan - history or myth? no one

I just finished book. What is your opinion - was she real?

Until we find historical evidence we will have to assume she is a myth. With love in Christ.

If the Pope were a woman would it change things? realmOrama

Have you ever heard of Pope Joan?

A few of the little things perhaps but not any of the big things. The Pope is very limited in what he can do. This limit does not come from rules set down by human beings but comes from God through the miracle of Papal Infallibility. With love in Christ.

Do you believe there was a woman Pope? (Pope Joan, 853AD)? Maggie

its possible

Catholics...what do you know about pope joan? My name™

I'm not Catholic, but, I do know about Pope Joan. Supposedly there was a woman who made it all the way to Pope. (very early 11th 13th century, not sure). The story goes she was made Pope, got pregnant and had to leave the Papacy. Supposedly it is only a "story" and never really occurred. Wikipedia has a section on her.

Why was there never a female pope?

Just wondering...im not Catholic so I wouldn't know. I already heard about pope Joan but for some reason one side is saying it's true...another is saying she's just a fable. idklol washing ditches? Damn, that must be hard.

The pope is technically a bishop, a bishop is technically a priest, and priests must be male. Or something like that. All I know about Catholicism I got from my grandma, Mexicans around the trailer park, tv, and reading part of Lesson 1 of the Catechism.

Was there really a female Pope named St Joan?

What reallyhappened.com

Well St. Joan was never a pope and was French and her name was Jeanne D'Arc. The story of the female pope was about a girl named "Johanna" who went into disguise as a man. There has been speculation that her story was real and that she really was a pope and that there has been some cover up.

What is the name of the first woman pope ? ABADDON

Look up Pope Joan.

Pope Joan is the name of a female pope (also La Papessa) who supposedly reigned for less than three years in the 850s, based on a legend that circulated in the Middle Ages. Pope Joan is regarded by most modern historians and religious scholars as fictitious, possibly originating as an anti-papal satire.

Was Joan of Arc the wife of Noah, why did one Pope call her a heretic and the other call her a saint? sexy_jim_darwin

Since the Pope speaks for God, how can God change his mind. To be a heretic means to be against God and a Saint means absolutely this person is in heaven.

I agree that the Pope cannot speak for God. The Catholic church has changed it's mind on many things in the past- look it up- and while you're at it, look up the story about Darwin's deathbed. Thanks!

was pope john paul really a girl? b0bby2106

on the discovery channel it went into dinvincys code and thought that pope john paul was a girl they also said that she had a baby and her real name was pope joan paul was really a girl! what do you think about all of this?

sounds like a myth to me. why doesnt the discovery channel just dig him up and check? hahahahaha.

Do you think the Catholic Church will ever get to a point where a Nun could become the Pope? doublewidemama

btw Isn't there considered to have been a Pope Joan at one point?

Thats a good question. As they follow the church traditions.... who knows , they have changed a bunch already.

has anyone heard of the FEMALE POPE in the DARK ages? zorrro857

there was something on 20/20 about it so I found this link http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/popejoan.htm (Pope Joan) Yes, I find it kind of strange, but check out the link . very interesting

Why a female can not be a Pope, if it is an elected body. Nuns also qualify to contest for papacy.

TRUE or FALSE: The highest position in the Catholic church, the Pope, was once held by a woman ...? Bumble

" Pope Joan " was said to have been born as an Englishwoman. She concealed her gender to pursue her scholarly ambitions -- the life of a scholar not being allowed to a woman at that time. Calling herself " John Anglicus ", she travelled to Athens where she gained a reputation for her vast knowledge of the sciences. Eventually she came to lecture at the Trivium in Rome where her fame grew even larger. Still disguised as a man to further her teachings, she became a Cardinal, and when Pope Leo IV died in 853 a.d. was unanimously and vigorously elected pope . As Pope John VIII she ruled for two years, loved by her followers and admired by her peers ... What happens next became a story of much debate - While riding one day from St. Peter's to the Lateran, she had to stop by the side of the road and supposedly gave birth to a child, having concealed her pregnancy with the robes of the church . According to one legend, upon discovering the Pope's true gender and refusing to give up the one follower who knew her identity , the people of Rome tied her feet together and dragged her behind a horse while stoning her, until she died. Another legend has it that she was sent to a faraway convent to repent her sins and that the child she bore grew up to become the Bishop of Ostia. The catholic hierarchy have refused to acknowledge the reign of "Pope Joan" to this very day and her name not allowed to be uttered beyond Vatican walls ... *** True or False *** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHQgTxTPjG8 False... This legend has been around for many centuries and no one is sure of it's origins .... The story of "Pope Joan" has been unfounded and undocumented but yet there are those that have actually taken it to be fact ... Ultimately, it is just a story

False, for two reasons. 1. Pope Joan is a legend that has no documentation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan 2. The Pope is the lowest position in the Catholic Church, not the highest. The hierarchy of the Catholic Church looks like this. 1. God 2. The Church, the People of God love and serve the Lord 3. Deacons serve God and the People of God 4. Priests serve God, the People of God, and the deacons 5. Bishops serve God, the local Church (the diocese, the People of God, the deacons, and the priests) 6. The Pope serves God and the entire Church (the People of God, the deacons, the priests, and the bishops). This is why the Pope is called the servant of the servants of God. Men who become Pope serve in lower and lower roles until they are the servants of everyone. The hierarchy of ordained ministers in the Catholic Church mirrors how Jesus and the Apostles set up the original Christian Church. There are three levels of Holy Orders, Deacon, Priest, and Bishop. Deacons serve the Church by assisting the bishop and priests in the celebration of the Eucharist, in the distribution of Holy Communion, in assisting at and blessing marriages, in the proclamation of the Gospel and preaching, in presiding over funerals, and in dedicating themselves to the various ministries of charity. Priests serve the Church as co-workers of the bishops and can lead a parish. A special title for a priest is monsignor. Priests are called presbyters in the Bible. Bishops are the Apostles of today. Each bishop serves the Church by leading a diocese which a group of parishes centered around a large city. Special types of bishop are archbishop, cardinal, and pope (who leads the whole Church). For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2chpt3.shtml#iii With love in Christ.

in chirstianity Why no lady pope (also called La Papessa)?? Legolas

Why in christianity there is no Lady pope ?? is it not gender discrimination??? There was one pope Pope Joan disguised as a man.. she was also killed when people she was woman.. She was pregnant by her companion.. are these the activities of pope in the vatican city?? Is it the reason that women are of less power . and men only belong to supremacy and extra power..?? i could see so many discussion here.! no body has said that men and women are equal as god created us..!! It implies Catholics desire only power..!!! And no one spoke about that lady pope getting pregnant by her companion....!! She was lady so people could find it out..!! what if it was man??? he cannot be pregnant .. so most of his sins are hidden..?? So everyone of u think that women are of weaker sex and they should be behind men.>!! which contradicts to what god said that all are equal..!!!

+ Women Priests and Popes + The Catholic Church currently teaches: The Lord Jesus chose men to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible. For more information see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 1577: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2chpt3.htm#1577 + Pope Joan + The legend of Pope Joan has little or no documentation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan + With love in Christ.

If you belong to a book club, what books would you recommend to generate discussion? lizajane

Our library just got a $500 grant to purchase 10 titles for book clubs. We'll get 8 copies of each book. The committee meets next week to select titles. Just to give you some idea, here's what we've read (so we won't be purchasing) and very much enjoyed. My Antonia; East of Eden; The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time; Pope Joan; Kite Runner; Memiors of a Geisha; Cain River; The Poisonwood Bible; The Return of the Native; A Prayer for Owen Meany; The Bonesetter's Daughter; Alias Grace; The Red Tent

1. The River of Doubt: Theodore Roosevelt's Darkest Journey (nonfiction) 2. The Glass Castle: A Memoir 3. The Lady and the Panda: THe True Adventures of the First American Explorer to Bring Back China's Most Exotic Animal 4. Love and Other Impossible Pursuits (it's hilarious) 5. Arthur and George (historical fiction) These have all been published in 2006, so hopefully they wouldn't have been read by groups yet. Plus, the nonfiction draws in the male readers. Sounds like fun!!!

Which of the following statements about Joan of Arc is not true? Samantha S

A)She fought in the 100 years War B)She earned her nickname “Maid of Orleans” by leading the French to victory at Orleans C)She said the Pope commanded her to free France D)She was burned at the stake as a heretic

C)She said the Pope commanded her to free France is not true. It was God not the Pope.

Which fooled more people? CO2 Global Warming or Loch Ness Monster? Drunk

There have been some great slight-of-hands in history. War of the Worlds Broadcast, Iraq WMDs, Bigfoot, End of the World, the Spinach decimal, Pope Joan, etc. Any others?

co2 is a greenhouse gas, man. its a fact. however, the earth's atmosphere is only made up of 1% co2. we know co2 causes warming effects because of venus. the temperature readings we got with how close it is to the sun were not normal until we realized that venus' atmosphere was nothing but co2. in fact, venus' atmoshpere is 100% co2. compare 1% to 100%. its one thing to deny man caused global warming, but to deny science in general is idiotic. volcanos produce more co2 than man ever has. Obama spent 3 trillion $ say what? - evolution is essentially a fact, you grossly obtuse moron. entropy doesn't apply to the earth, genetic sequencing does change with every generation, and hair, feathers, scales, etc. are all made of keratin. either your god is stupid and lazy or we all have a common ancestor.

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